Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

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Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by Senmut on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:15 pm

Okay, here's a question. After Cellini's return from Ultra, and the
blanked-out areas on the Probe ship's black box were found, he was
ridiculed by the space authoririties, as well as medical people and
Commissioner Dixon. But...
Could they have in fact believed him, and covered up the truth?
After Cellini seperated the command module, and headed home, once
Ultra was no longer blocking the way, did he try and communicate with
Earth? It would make sense, would it not? And, even if the black box was
blank, what about video records? Even our early space missions took
films. By this time, video would have been the method. In my opinion,
there is NO WAY the folks back home would not have had visible evidence
that there were indeed ships clustered about Ultra. Not just "contacts",
as Dixon insisted. Also, what about the ax? Remember, Cellini hacked at
the Dragon's tentacles, before he got the hatch shut, apparently causing
it to withdraw. If you look at the ax as he dropped it, there appears to
be traces of biological matter on the head. After the command module was
retrieved and examined, surely it would have been found. In light of his
story, it would make no sense for it not to have been examined.
So, as I look at it, Commissioner Dixon had evidence that Cellinin was
telling the truth: a bizarre alien creature was let loose, and killed the
rest of the crew. Forensic evidence was there, but did the authorities
take note of it, or was something so hideous covered up, in order to "mot
alarm people", and Cellini made the sacrificial lamb?
Y'all?
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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by cmdrkoenig67 on Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:39 pm

I too find it hard to believe there was no mention of the ships being recorded via video (the crew of the Ultra Probe were watching the ships on video as the entered the ship graveyard.

I'm guessing Cellini must have contacted Earth once he was beyond the Ultra, since the Earth (or Moonbase Alpha) probably sent out a rescue ship to meet him at some point during his return journey.

I believe the whole thing was covered up by Dixon (and others)...I don't think the Space Commission wanted another failure (There were also the losses of the crew from Death's Other Dominion and Lee Russell's Astro 7 crew, plus the two Voyager launch disasters).

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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by Magnus Greel on Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:10 pm

Wouldn't the black box recordings be at least partly in the form of video?
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Post by Senmut on Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:27 pm

One would have thought so, hence my suspicion.
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Post by Magnus Greel on Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:32 am

Senmut wrote: And, even if the black box was
blank, what about video records? Even our early space missions took
films.

I would think that all video would have been stored in the black box, which was erased by the creature (how we don't know). So, no records.
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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by cmdrkoenig67 on Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:59 am

True...There's still the axe as pointed out by Senmut?

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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by Senmut on Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:25 am

Magnus Greel wrote:
Senmut wrote: And, even if the black box was
blank, what about video records? Even our early space missions took
films.

I would think that all video would have been stored in the black box, which was erased by the creature (how we don't know). So, no records.

Remember, Dixon says that "that's all they are. Contacts". So the radar traces must have been on the Black Box. Any video seems to have conveniently vanished.
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Ultra Probe: Disbelief or Cover up?

Post by Coach34 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:09 pm

This episode went a long way to help inform my opinion of conservative bureaucracies, who seem to only want to justify their own existence (Commissioner Dixon: "There's nothing like failure for drying up the money supply.")
I believe that in the time our series is set, the writers and creators have taken a realistic extension of the attitudes of NASA and governments of the world in the 1970's and brought them to a pretty accurate depiction of the prevailing attitude at the end of the 20th Century.
Money is the primary concern, not science or exploration. The Space Commission/Lunar Finance Committee have been depicted in this light each time we see their representatives in action in the first season.
That said, Cellini has thrown a monkey wrench into the money machine by having the bad taste to not have died with his crew-mates and the gall to tell the truth about what happened.
I believe the Space Commission knew that he was telling the truth, but that the public (cash cow) that funded the bureaucracy would have a hard time swallowing it ("a green-eyed monster from outer space...") so, Cellini was made the scape goat in order to get the whole incident behind them and get on with bringing in more funding.
I agree with what has been written before me in this thread about video and forensic evidence, not to mention the fact that the Ultra Probe ACTUALLY DOCKED WITH AN ALIEN SPACECRAFT, a fact that was not disputed once (on screen at least) in the episode.
Disbelief or Cover up? I'll go with cover up.


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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by Senmut on Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:28 pm

Glad to see I'm not the only one who views it thata way. Welcome aboard, Coach.
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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by Coach34 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:25 pm

Thanks, Senmut. Great to be here among fellow fans. I've been waiting a couple of decades for this kind of forum!
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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by Senmut on Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:22 pm

Sad we had to wait so long!
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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by Commander Koenig on Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:33 am

Coach34 wrote:Thanks, Senmut. Great to be here among fellow fans. I've been waiting a couple of decades for this kind of forum!

Good to hear that you are enjoying the forum Very Happy. I just thank the ingenuity of man for inventing computers and the World Wide Web, allowing us to communicate with each other! cheers
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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by Senmut on Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:47 pm

And if that ingenuity had been allowed to develop as it should, we'd be on the Moon, et al, by now!
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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by astro7 on Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:59 pm

I never thought about the alien material being on the axe at all! Maybe that didn't register on our quipment either? Like you say maybe the upper echelons did believe Cellini but kept it quiet to avoid a panic from the public or just to assay the money giving agencies of the world! What if the spaceships had of reached earth and the 'Dragons' leapt into our atmosphere devouring everyone they could find! Wow! what a scenario that would be....
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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by Steve Gerard on Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:36 pm

"Dragon's Domain" is a great episode of season one. The Space Commission/Lunar Finance Committee was practicing a cover-up. Shocked
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Re: Dragon's Domain/Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Post by astro7 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:01 am

Dixon was as corrupt as Simmonds!
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